tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post3027875132600002397..comments2024-02-15T11:55:09.612+00:00Comments on Yosser's Airsoft Odyssey: Roll up - UKARA not Required!Indi The Doghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09676738505841724277noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-62684649206035967232017-03-30T16:16:19.665+01:002017-03-30T16:16:19.665+01:00as a 64 year old man i don't really want to to...as a 64 year old man i don't really want to told i must join a club to own nothing more than a toy. two tone weapons can soon be painted black again. what is the big deal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-2899485869106146752017-03-30T16:14:18.917+01:002017-03-30T16:14:18.917+01:00i have read with great interest and i ultimately h...i have read with great interest and i ultimately have to agree that UKARA sucks! in the days when we had real firearms, policing was an essential part of the establishment. since most firearms have been removed from legitimate people it seems the only ones left on the streets are foreign imports and only the crooks have them. UKARA is another wannabe body which is run by controlling people with their own agendas, ie.. money spinner. get a fucking grip, they're pop guns!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-63176488703842890322017-01-11T15:00:52.459+00:002017-01-11T15:00:52.459+00:00Nazis the lot of all shopkeepers, give a man a big...Nazis the lot of all shopkeepers, give a man a big hat blah blah... get a fricking gun license!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-82383406134516108482016-12-18T02:09:05.640+00:002016-12-18T02:09:05.640+00:00I am 72 years old I don't want to run around p...I am 72 years old I don't want to run around playing soldiers in the mud shooting people,but I do enjoy shooting in my well equipped shooting range at home.and at my friends farm in wales, but I can no longer buy guns that don't look like pretty painted children's toys it is ridiculous its the same gun with the same power will do the same damage it just doesn't seem the same if its bright pink. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-58089281071632283042016-06-17T14:37:53.260+01:002016-06-17T14:37:53.260+01:00UKARA really is a crock of ****! I can own a high ... UKARA really is a crock of ****! I can own a high powered air rifle or even a shotgun/firearm with the relevant certificate but cant buy a RIF for personal home use on private land or for collecting/display purposes.<br />I do not have a criminal record and I have previously served with the military and police. I do not want to buy a silly looking two tone gun,would at least like it to look like the real thing. This country's gun laws a such a joke!<br />Need I say more!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-25378169433376479232015-10-14T15:20:26.104+01:002015-10-14T15:20:26.104+01:00i don't get what all this fuss is about. ukara...i don't get what all this fuss is about. ukara has nothing to do with uk law or any gov organisation. it's just a bunch of retailers who support the beautiful ASG hobby by helping earn money to all official asg shooting sites. £280, that's the av cost for someone who has to attend the venue 3x without asg and protection gear. the fact is, that any seller, retailer, dealer... etcetera... doesn't even have to ask you for "a proof of belonging" (to ukara, re-enactment group). it's just their personal matter to keep their mind safe, f.e. when the policeman shoots one of their clients head off for weaving gun-like-looking toy on the street. it's better to be covered even by a meaningless agreement such as ukara. btw, ukara guidelines seem to collide with general EU law...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-41507858776147170802014-08-05T13:43:25.908+01:002014-08-05T13:43:25.908+01:003 games in 2 months? Is the weekender not a 3 day ...3 games in 2 months? Is the weekender not a 3 day airsoft event on a skirmish site thus filling all required criteria? just thought i'd add my little thought on the whole affair, albeit a tad late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-82389386342698087472013-12-17T17:04:37.656+00:002013-12-17T17:04:37.656+00:00UKARA is the biggest joke ever.... Its a nanny sta...UKARA is the biggest joke ever.... Its a nanny state and its on defense if the police want to take the guns off you no UKARA register will stop them..... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-77406005807149049132013-10-18T05:24:47.571+01:002013-10-18T05:24:47.571+01:00Ukara sucks!! you can buy high power air rifles th...Ukara sucks!! you can buy high power air rifles that can kill but you can buy a black bb gun its a fcuking joke sort it out not every1 wants or can go skirmishing but still want an rif but cant cost this countrys a fcuking mess<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11231246430672128154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-51084404185826654252013-10-18T05:20:00.633+01:002013-10-18T05:20:00.633+01:00Ukara sucks donky dick there flipping toys its a j...Ukara sucks donky dick there flipping toys its a joke Iwant an<br /> rif for home use not a two tone shit looking thing and I cant get one fcuk ukara<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11231246430672128154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-59722041024339827622013-09-05T14:03:03.251+01:002013-09-05T14:03:03.251+01:00the quotes above relate in part to reenactment and...the quotes above relate in part to reenactment and not "skirmish events" which are not the same. The advisement note from the HO can be read here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-violent-crime-reduction-act-2006-commencement-no-3-order-2007-firearms-measures<br /><br />Fact is 01 were part of the group that established UKARA and the guidelines for membership and are happy to enforce them when it suits their business. <br /><br />It simply slaps honest players, sites, and retailers in the face by behaving in such a cavalier fashion. Certainly they can no longer remain members of UKARA, else why should any site or retailer follow the UKARA guidelines?<br /><br />If an £85 game entrance qualifies as proof of being an airsofter, why not £75, or £50? plenty of weekend games demand the same level of dedication to play at but don't fleece their players as much.<br /><br />Bottom line is no, you do not need to be a member of UKARA. But as Zero Ones website itself states.<br />"In order for us to legally sell you this airsoft gun it it's original colours, by law, you must be a member of a registered airsoft site"<br /><br />Member of a site. It is explicit and from Zero One themselves. It does not say, "you must have spent enough cash with us on a single occasion then we'll take as much money off you as we can..."<br /> <br />I would have far more respect for them if they came out and admitted a cock up. better that than anonymously commenting here to try and justify the indefensible.<br /><br />I certainly will not support a retailer that behaves this way with my custom, and will encourage every player I know to act likewise.Spidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-42226429249359057892013-09-05T12:54:17.074+01:002013-09-05T12:54:17.074+01:00Some documentation for you. First a link to downlo...Some documentation for you. First a link to download the PDF file of the VCRA (optional reading): http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/docid/51108C24-A548-44B0-8D4B2A284A7A902E<br />You should start at section 36 on page 42.<br />Secondly, a link to the specific defence, which pertains directly to the issue at hand: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/2606/pdfs/uksi_20072606_en.pdf<br /><br />I will quote the relevant lines as used by the home office to provide our "exemption" which you claim is being abused by Zero One.<br />"—(1) It shall be a defence in proceedings for an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act or<br />under paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 to that Act for the person charged with the offence to show that<br />his conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one<br />or more of the purposes specified in paragraph (2).<br />(2)<br />Those purposes are— <br />(a)<br />the organisation and holding of permitted activities for which public liability insurance is<br />held in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the<br />organisation and holding of those activities;<br />(b)<br />the purposes of display at a permitted event. "<br /><br />I would say, in my mind, there is absolutely no need to worry about what has been done here. The real issue would start when someone gets taken to court for selling a RIF. At which point this defence is used, and investigated. To my knowledge that has never happened, and in this situation it would be much easier to defend, than having to explain the workings of the UKARA system of membership. <br /><br />On a slightly more personal note, I feel your journalism, especially in an internet age, is not very good. You should be citing your references, such as the 2 links I just provided, rather than talking about them vaguely. In my opinion you did not adequately explain what the specific defence we have is, to people who do not know it as well as me and you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-55399175157381543172013-09-05T07:46:36.081+01:002013-09-05T07:46:36.081+01:00There is a defiantly a mole hill being made in to ...There is a defiantly a mole hill being made in to a ant hill here. With the UKARA it says that you must have 3 days skirmish with in two months, at the weekender this year's event there was a game Friday night, Saturday day and night and Sunday. would this not count as your 3 days skirmish at this national event. Granted that there should have been somewhere there that they should have been able to register for UKARA but i still feel that that would cover the 3 day's of skirmishing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-4288005666718093572013-09-04T23:42:35.348+01:002013-09-04T23:42:35.348+01:00Firstly I thought you have to be a member of an in...Firstly I thought you have to be a member of an insured club to buy rifs and not just turn up for a weekend skirmish..? If you say paying £85 means your a skirmisher then paying the £40 per year membership and £25 member hire on the same day by a first timer count as serious player and allow to be on the UKARA database..?? Why should it be one rule for some and another for others... Not good at all.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-37206546390030295302013-09-04T21:26:12.090+01:002013-09-04T21:26:12.090+01:00call me cynical, but it just looks like zero one d...call me cynical, but it just looks like zero one decided to exploit probably the largest turnout game of the year, hoping that many would jump at the chance to spend money on rifs without meeting the criteria usually followed, ultimately they just saw pound signs....gedy gits.<br />as for their nazi like hold on info, forum posts etc, no surprise there, business as usual.<br />what i don't get is how they thought they could break the clearly laid out ukara principles, without it causing waves & being critisized.<br />they should be punished, such as ukara involvement revoked or suspended at the very least. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-31288894360411537672013-09-04T21:17:48.483+01:002013-09-04T21:17:48.483+01:00RIFs sold for the purpose of skirmishing at any si...RIFs sold for the purpose of skirmishing at any site you're playing on is perfectly legal, but it wont end the exemption, if the exemption goes it's two tones for all future buys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-3236519417912817742013-09-04T20:58:38.804+01:002013-09-04T20:58:38.804+01:00Hmmm....UKARA being the self-governing way of ensu...Hmmm....UKARA being the self-governing way of ensuring that a player is a skirmisher...and eligible for a defence to the VCRA. I recall a retailer who had a solicitor look into and found that the only thing really needed to show that a person was a skirmisher, was to be at a skirmish or airsoft game...and playing.<br /><br />Perhaps this was ZeroOne's stance at the weekenderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-13943046355502789542013-09-04T20:40:00.928+01:002013-09-04T20:40:00.928+01:00What a superbly written article. NAIL ON HEAD.What a superbly written article. NAIL ON HEAD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-85729450486431608222013-09-04T20:24:46.875+01:002013-09-04T20:24:46.875+01:00I think this article is just flaring an issue that...I think this article is just flaring an issue that is actually much smaller than it really is. If you pay £85 to go to a weekender, it stands to reason that you are a serious airsofter and that is all that UKARA reference numbers are meant to prove, so that undesirable people who are not airsofters can't get hold of RIF. In my honest opinion, this article is just OTT, unnecessary and picking at straws. Again, if you pay £85 to attend the most prolific and successful airsoft event in Europe, you're clearly an airsofter who has an inherent interest in the sport. The no UKARA needed with wristband makes sense, especially for those coming from abroad which there are MANY, I myself met several from the Philippines, some from Ecuador and I played with the Battletec lads who hail from Guernsey, where they don't need UKARA to buy RIF's either. This is just stirring something that makes perfect logical sense and you're picking and creating issues that need not be issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-49369395383229682742013-09-04T19:41:16.641+01:002013-09-04T19:41:16.641+01:00Phone them! Don't email, remember they were cl...Phone them! Don't email, remember they were closed for a week and might be fekking busy after the NAE, they also don't work weekends and only got back to work last Wednesday, so that's only 6 days!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-88267536129153066702013-09-04T19:17:44.764+01:002013-09-04T19:17:44.764+01:00First off, UKARA is a guideline, one of many, not ...First off, UKARA is a guideline, one of many, not a legal requirement.<br />2nd .. Anyone paying £85 (more than the average cost of 3 games) for a weekend long airsoft event is quite likely to, y'know, be a legitimate airsofter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1392688021793036194.post-62588035547940933072013-09-04T12:10:59.856+01:002013-09-04T12:10:59.856+01:00Not like ZeroOne to supress things they don't ...Not like ZeroOne to supress things they don't want to hear or discuss, instead shutting down the thread and ignoring it from then on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com